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	<title>Comments on: Approaches to Bird Identification &amp; A Kirtland&#8217;s Warbler</title>
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	<description>Laura Kammermeier &#124; writer &#38; web consultant</description>
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		<title>By: Alvaro Jaramillo</title>
		<link>http://laurakammermeier.com/2009/09/approaches-to-bird-identification-a-kirtlands-warbler/comment-page-1/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>Alvaro Jaramillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete is amazing, hey I have seen him draw astounding stuff since we were teenagers and he never ceases to impress me! But getting to the point here, Peter&#039;s suggestion to study anatomy and look at how birds are put together is a great one. In workshops I have done, one thing I have found useful is to take a feature that you know, like &quot;wingbars&quot; and try and imagine where the wingbars would be in different groups of birds. Most of the species we look at that have wingbars are songbirds, like warblers, sparrows, vireos etc. So look at a warbler photo or a real live warbler with wingbars and determine that the feather groups they are on are the greater and median coverts. Now, find those feather groups in other entirely different birds and in your mind draw wingbars. It is amazing how different the shapes of the wingbars are on a gull, or a nighjar, or a sandpiper, or a hawk! They cease to look like classic wingbars actually, because the anatomy of these birds is so different than that of a warbler. I find that this type of exercise makes me really appreciate anatomy, and how it differs in various birds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete is amazing, hey I have seen him draw astounding stuff since we were teenagers and he never ceases to impress me! But getting to the point here, Peter&#8217;s suggestion to study anatomy and look at how birds are put together is a great one. In workshops I have done, one thing I have found useful is to take a feature that you know, like &#8220;wingbars&#8221; and try and imagine where the wingbars would be in different groups of birds. Most of the species we look at that have wingbars are songbirds, like warblers, sparrows, vireos etc. So look at a warbler photo or a real live warbler with wingbars and determine that the feather groups they are on are the greater and median coverts. Now, find those feather groups in other entirely different birds and in your mind draw wingbars. It is amazing how different the shapes of the wingbars are on a gull, or a nighjar, or a sandpiper, or a hawk! They cease to look like classic wingbars actually, because the anatomy of these birds is so different than that of a warbler. I find that this type of exercise makes me really appreciate anatomy, and how it differs in various birds.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for contributing to this great thread. Please send me your URL when your site is finished, Peter, and I&#039;ll post it here.

This morning, I am heading over to The Nature Conservancy office to interview Dave Ewert, one of the specialists in the Kirtland&#039;s Warbler recovery team who initiated the Bahama&#039;s research and education effort. More about that at a later date. The Kirtland&#039;s Warbler keeps on giving...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for contributing to this great thread. Please send me your URL when your site is finished, Peter, and I&#8217;ll post it here.</p>
<p>This morning, I am heading over to The Nature Conservancy office to interview Dave Ewert, one of the specialists in the Kirtland&#8217;s Warbler recovery team who initiated the Bahama&#8217;s research and education effort. More about that at a later date. The Kirtland&#8217;s Warbler keeps on giving&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for site Tony, I appreciate it. Yes, that is the same me. I am currently putting a website together and hope to have it up soon, so if I can get Laura to give me more promotion at some later date, you can see more of my work there.  Great to hear your son likes to look at bird books! He&#039;s hooked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for site Tony, I appreciate it. Yes, that is the same me. I am currently putting a website together and hope to have it up soon, so if I can get Laura to give me more promotion at some later date, you can see more of my work there.  Great to hear your son likes to look at bird books! He&#8217;s hooked!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Coomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Coomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, if you are interested, HappyBirding.org has a gallery setup for artist and photographers to share their work with other birders. 
Found here:  http://www.happybirding.org/hbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=5
I would love to see more of your work.

By the way, are you the same Peter Burke bird artist from &quot;National Geographic Field Guide to the Birds of North America&quot;?

I just got that guide for my 2yr old son and he loves looking at all the bird pictures.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, if you are interested, HappyBirding.org has a gallery setup for artist and photographers to share their work with other birders.<br />
Found here:  <a href="http://www.happybirding.org/hbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=5" rel="nofollow">http://www.happybirding.org/hbforums/forumdisplay.php?f=5</a><br />
I would love to see more of your work.</p>
<p>By the way, are you the same Peter Burke bird artist from &#8220;National Geographic Field Guide to the Birds of North America&#8221;?</p>
<p>I just got that guide for my 2yr old son and he loves looking at all the bird pictures.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: peter burke</title>
		<link>http://laurakammermeier.com/2009/09/approaches-to-bird-identification-a-kirtlands-warbler/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>peter burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this thread, it&#039;s been fun to read the different opinions. As someone who likes to draw birds I can say that it definitely contributes to my ability to make ID&#039;s because I am looking at the entire bird repeatedly. Further, every time I attempt to draw a certain species, it seems that I am learning something new about it. A good foundation on bird anatomy is something I highly recommend to anyone who wants to become a better birder. Furthermore, understanding how the anatomy changes from group to group will further crystalize your ability. I was one of those early-age birders who studied the guides and drew birds constantly while I was growing up. Many hours went into it but I never considered it an extra effort (but I think I would now at this point in life!). This all sounds like work, and truth be told it is. Everyone takes what they want from birding and it is up to the individual to explore whatever aspect of it they want to sharpen. But it is obvious from these comments that there are a number of ways to become more familiar with birds and it is up to you to find the way that you enjoy most. Or you simply enjoy them for what they are and where it takes you. 

Peter

Ps. Many thanks for all the wonderful compliments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this thread, it&#8217;s been fun to read the different opinions. As someone who likes to draw birds I can say that it definitely contributes to my ability to make ID&#8217;s because I am looking at the entire bird repeatedly. Further, every time I attempt to draw a certain species, it seems that I am learning something new about it. A good foundation on bird anatomy is something I highly recommend to anyone who wants to become a better birder. Furthermore, understanding how the anatomy changes from group to group will further crystalize your ability. I was one of those early-age birders who studied the guides and drew birds constantly while I was growing up. Many hours went into it but I never considered it an extra effort (but I think I would now at this point in life!). This all sounds like work, and truth be told it is. Everyone takes what they want from birding and it is up to the individual to explore whatever aspect of it they want to sharpen. But it is obvious from these comments that there are a number of ways to become more familiar with birds and it is up to you to find the way that you enjoy most. Or you simply enjoy them for what they are and where it takes you. </p>
<p>Peter</p>
<p>Ps. Many thanks for all the wonderful compliments!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gunnar, that&#039;s a huge accomplishment and I&#039;d be beaming ear to ear if that was my offspring!

Maybe my last question is: &quot;So what if you&#039;re in a hurry (to bag an ID?)?&quot; Ha ha.

I hear the proverbial Soup Nazi ( a reference to an American situational comedy called Seinfeld) saying &quot;No ID For you!&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gunnar, that&#8217;s a huge accomplishment and I&#8217;d be beaming ear to ear if that was my offspring!</p>
<p>Maybe my last question is: &#8220;So what if you&#8217;re in a hurry (to bag an ID?)?&#8221; Ha ha.</p>
<p>I hear the proverbial Soup Nazi ( a reference to an American situational comedy called Seinfeld) saying &#8220;No ID For you!&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fps" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fps</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar Engblom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar Engblom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a great thread in the comment section Laura and Mike.  Got to get more interaction on my own blog!!

A reversed way to Jeff&#039;s is to try to ID the bird first without bins. And then get closer to see details to confirm.

Had a nice experience with my 2.5 year old daughter today. She is still not using binoculars. 
I asked  twice: What bird is that? 
At some distance she correctly id:ed Blue-black Grassquit and black morph of Vermilion Flycatcher in the park. I am quite impressed. She must have been using jizz as they are both small and black, but do have different posture.
It does definitely not hurt to start early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a great thread in the comment section Laura and Mike.  Got to get more interaction on my own blog!!</p>
<p>A reversed way to Jeff&#8217;s is to try to ID the bird first without bins. And then get closer to see details to confirm.</p>
<p>Had a nice experience with my 2.5 year old daughter today. She is still not using binoculars.<br />
I asked  twice: What bird is that?<br />
At some distance she correctly id:ed Blue-black Grassquit and black morph of Vermilion Flycatcher in the park. I am quite impressed. She must have been using jizz as they are both small and black, but do have different posture.<br />
It does definitely not hurt to start early.</p>
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		<title>By: noflickster</title>
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		<dc:creator>noflickster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, my response to your comment,
&quot;But can there also be something said for the more organic approach of simply admiring a bird in its surroundings (to see the bird, the whole bird, and everything about the bird) with no pressure to ID? The answers will come when they are ready to…&quot;

is *absolutely*!  Happily, this is something we all control for ourselves, right?  

An exercise I found really instructive is something I picked up from Jeff &quot;Ol&#039; Coot&quot; Wilson from Memphis, TN.  While birding with him one cool November afternoon he talked about his method to learn about each bird:  get as close as possible, watch for as long as you can stand it (or the bird lets you), study all of the details you can see: colors of feathered and bare areas, the way the feathers lay, and so on.  Then back up 50 feet (we were watching Horned Larks in an open, muddy field) and watch again.  Back up again, watch again, and keep doing this well past the last time you could make out a field mark.  You&#039;re left with the gestalt of the bird, how it holds itself, how it moves, not to mention the habitat and interactions with other individuals.  Methods should probably vary with species.

That takes a lot of patience and discipline, but watching Jeff pick out the single Western Meadowlark as a dozen Eastern Meadowlarks flew by the windshield was impressive, to say the least.  And we did stop and verify it!  

Regarding mental tricks for using both parts of the brain, waaay back a friend turned me on to &quot;Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain&quot; by Betty Edwards.  I believe she wasn&#039;t an artist per se, but a psychologist studying right vs. left brain functionality.  Or something.  If she wasn&#039;t a practicing psychologist she sure came across as one.  

As I remember it, her premise was that to draw accurately, comfortably, realistically (and so on) you needed to engage the right hemisphere - not an easy task since some huge proportion of us are &quot;left-brained.&quot;  Drawing with that hemisphere engaged doesn&#039;t work very well.  The master&#039;s were/are all adept at shifting from left- to right-dominance, something that I venture Peter did/does.  Check out Betty&#039;s website:  http://www.drawright.com/

And definitely find a copy of the book, it really teaches you how to &quot;see&quot; differently, not just draw.

Enough rambling, but I can&#039;t help it - interesting topic!
-Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, my response to your comment,<br />
&#8220;But can there also be something said for the more organic approach of simply admiring a bird in its surroundings (to see the bird, the whole bird, and everything about the bird) with no pressure to ID? The answers will come when they are ready to…&#8221;</p>
<p>is *absolutely*!  Happily, this is something we all control for ourselves, right?  </p>
<p>An exercise I found really instructive is something I picked up from Jeff &#8220;Ol&#8217; Coot&#8221; Wilson from Memphis, TN.  While birding with him one cool November afternoon he talked about his method to learn about each bird:  get as close as possible, watch for as long as you can stand it (or the bird lets you), study all of the details you can see: colors of feathered and bare areas, the way the feathers lay, and so on.  Then back up 50 feet (we were watching Horned Larks in an open, muddy field) and watch again.  Back up again, watch again, and keep doing this well past the last time you could make out a field mark.  You&#8217;re left with the gestalt of the bird, how it holds itself, how it moves, not to mention the habitat and interactions with other individuals.  Methods should probably vary with species.</p>
<p>That takes a lot of patience and discipline, but watching Jeff pick out the single Western Meadowlark as a dozen Eastern Meadowlarks flew by the windshield was impressive, to say the least.  And we did stop and verify it!  </p>
<p>Regarding mental tricks for using both parts of the brain, waaay back a friend turned me on to &#8220;Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain&#8221; by Betty Edwards.  I believe she wasn&#8217;t an artist per se, but a psychologist studying right vs. left brain functionality.  Or something.  If she wasn&#8217;t a practicing psychologist she sure came across as one.  </p>
<p>As I remember it, her premise was that to draw accurately, comfortably, realistically (and so on) you needed to engage the right hemisphere &#8211; not an easy task since some huge proportion of us are &#8220;left-brained.&#8221;  Drawing with that hemisphere engaged doesn&#8217;t work very well.  The master&#8217;s were/are all adept at shifting from left- to right-dominance, something that I venture Peter did/does.  Check out Betty&#8217;s website:  <a href="http://www.drawright.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.drawright.com/</a></p>
<p>And definitely find a copy of the book, it really teaches you how to &#8220;see&#8221; differently, not just draw.</p>
<p>Enough rambling, but I can&#8217;t help it &#8211; interesting topic!<br />
-Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points. And Mike, you&#039;ve given me yet another reason to run out and get that Shorebird Guide that everyone raves about. 

http://www.amazon.com/Shorebird-Guide-Michael-OBrien/dp/0618432949

I&#039;m interested in this at the brain level, whether or not this is a matter of right brain, left brain dominance. 

We know that time in the field is the best training, but when later-in-life adults come to birding, are there mental tricks for using both parts of their brain--switching from parts to whole to parts again--to capture an ID? Is it as easy as it sounds or are we limited by previous experience and tendency, and therefore must build that brain muscle? You know, some sort of Richard Simmons &quot;Build Your Brain Fantastic!!&quot; sort of thing!

[pause for visual: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aazos8dmW9Q/RxeXjGP9mTI/AAAAAAAAAdY/f9_L7N5NyU8/s320/simmons.jpg]

People often recommend sketching in order to become intimately familiar with a bird, and I know that works. 

But can there also be something said for the more organic approach of simply admiring a bird in its surroundings (to see the bird, the whole bird, and everything about the bird) with no pressure to ID? The answers will come when they are ready to...

As teachers say, a student cannot learn something until they &quot;have a hanger to hang it on.&quot;

This past spring I spent a tremendous amount of time birding in unfamiliar areas and learning new sounds of new birds.  I needed/wanted the IDs, so I approached the practice in a very studious manner. I studied sounds, I wrote sounds, I sketched birds, I made notes, I filled my head with info on plumage, ranges, and sounds like never before. By the end of the season, I felt I had overdone it, and didn&#039;t make the gains that my study warranted. So, even though I used all the recommended methods and spent loads of time in the field, I found that muscling it to that degree didn&#039;t make anything stick (unless it is completely buried). So, a more &quot;chill&quot; experience is definitely in order for spring 2010...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points. And Mike, you&#8217;ve given me yet another reason to run out and get that Shorebird Guide that everyone raves about. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Shorebird-Guide-Michael-OBrien/dp/0618432949" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Shorebird-Guide-Michael-OBrien/dp/0618432949</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in this at the brain level, whether or not this is a matter of right brain, left brain dominance. </p>
<p>We know that time in the field is the best training, but when later-in-life adults come to birding, are there mental tricks for using both parts of their brain&#8211;switching from parts to whole to parts again&#8211;to capture an ID? Is it as easy as it sounds or are we limited by previous experience and tendency, and therefore must build that brain muscle? You know, some sort of Richard Simmons &#8220;Build Your Brain Fantastic!!&#8221; sort of thing!</p>
<p>[pause for visual: <a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aazos8dmW9Q/RxeXjGP9mTI/AAAAAAAAAdY/f9_L7N5NyU8/s320/simmons.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_aazos8dmW9Q/RxeXjGP9mTI/AAAAAAAAAdY/f9_L7N5NyU8/s320/simmons.jpg</a></p>
<p>People often recommend sketching in order to become intimately familiar with a bird, and I know that works. </p>
<p>But can there also be something said for the more organic approach of simply admiring a bird in its surroundings (to see the bird, the whole bird, and everything about the bird) with no pressure to ID? The answers will come when they are ready to&#8230;</p>
<p>As teachers say, a student cannot learn something until they &#8220;have a hanger to hang it on.&#8221;</p>
<p>This past spring I spent a tremendous amount of time birding in unfamiliar areas and learning new sounds of new birds.  I needed/wanted the IDs, so I approached the practice in a very studious manner. I studied sounds, I wrote sounds, I sketched birds, I made notes, I filled my head with info on plumage, ranges, and sounds like never before. By the end of the season, I felt I had overdone it, and didn&#8217;t make the gains that my study warranted. So, even though I used all the recommended methods and spent loads of time in the field, I found that muscling it to that degree didn&#8217;t make anything stick (unless it is completely buried). So, a more &#8220;chill&#8221; experience is definitely in order for spring 2010&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Coomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Coomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, well said.
I would like to add that Roger Tory Peterson tried to teach the importance of shape in his early field guides by including various species silhouettes inside the front and back cover (at least they are in my 1947 printing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, well said.<br />
I would like to add that Roger Tory Peterson tried to teach the importance of shape in his early field guides by including various species silhouettes inside the front and back cover (at least they are in my 1947 printing).</p>
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